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An RSD story. Taking my own advice

About this episode

In this episode Jane McFadden takes her own advice on ‘Is ADHD just an excuse?’ and deals with a conflict situation by acknowledging her ADHD in a work situation. She then shame spirals through most of the week and struggles to move forward. However ADHD Mum’s are nothing but resilient and we will continue on – this episode is to highlight – you are not alone in this. We all feel this, let’s break down the stigma and talk about it.

What we cover in this episode

  • The importance of discussing ADHD openly with your child
  • How understanding their diagnosis can boost a child’s self-confidence
  • Potential negative effects of not providing clear explanations about ADHD
  • Strategies for initiating and navigating conversations about ADHD with your child
  • The role of parental support in helping children embrace their neurodivergent identity

This episode is for you if:

  • You experience intense emotional reactions to perceived criticism or rejection.
  • You struggle with self-advocacy and setting boundaries.
  • You’re seeking strategies to manage RSD and improve emotional resilience.

An RSD story. Taking my own advice

In this episode Jane McFadden takes her own advice on ‘Is ADHD just an excuse?’ and deals with a conflict situation by acknowledging her ADHD in a work situation. She then shame spirals through most of the week and struggles to move forward. However ADHD Mum’s are nothing but resilient and we will continue on – this episode is to highlight – you are not alone in this. We all feel this, let’s break down the stigma and talk about it.

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0:00 hello and welcome to the ADHD moms
0:02 podcast I’m your host Jane and I’m here
0:04 to let you know you are not alone this
0:07 is a safe place where we can talk openly
0:09 about our struggles with having ADHD
0:12 being a mom and dealing with life a
0:14 little outside the box we are real
0:17 people with real stories who want to be
0:18 able to laugh and strive to be better
0:20 than what we were
0:22 yesterday my name is Jane mcf and I’m a
0:25 36-year-old mom of three who was
0:26 diagnosed with ADHD a little over a year
0:29 ago I’m here to help you live out your
0:31 full potential with a diagnosis or
0:33 without
0:35 one I own and run a Telly Health
0:37 psychology company I’ve worked in and
0:39 studied psychology for the past 15 years
0:42 I am passionate about helping others
0:44 take back their life and have a great
0:46 time while doing
0:47 so on this show you can expect to laugh
0:50 hear vulnerable discussions and learn
0:51 why things are the way they are for
0:53 women with ADHD no two humans are the
0:56 same no two diagnosises are the same and
0:58 no two stories are the same
1:00 it’s something that feels really
1:02 personal and we as Mom seem to find a
1:04 way to put pressure on ourselves to be
1:06 perfect to work in a great job to get
1:08 paid well for and then also be
1:10 passionate about have a clean tidy home
1:12 and well-mannered obedient children to
1:15 have it all can we just drop the
1:18 expectations because I do not have all
1:20 of those things and I doubt that you do
1:23 either we have a whole lot to learn and
1:25 a whole lot to look forward to on this
1:27 podcast so let’s get started
1:30 I got a really great review from
1:32 somebody and I just wanted to give a
1:33 shout out to raar Rd iixx LS what a
1:38 random name they gave me a great review
1:41 and talked about how relatable they felt
1:43 the podcast was their messages that I’m
1:46 getting is that’s what people want I
1:49 will share something that I think could
1:50 be something that maybe the ADHD moms
1:52 can relate to it’s around rejection and
1:56 shame so recently a fair few of
1:59 psychology and I’m not a psychologist I
2:01 don’t claim to be one have proposed that
2:03 there’s particularly high levels of
2:05 rejection sensitivity or you know RSD
2:08 which a lot of people know about you can
2:09 Google it basically it’s high emotional
2:12 reactivity in general particularly to
2:15 anything that people might deem to be a
2:18 slight against
2:20 them or anything they’ve done wrong or
2:22 someone giving them feedback people with
2:25 ADHD can be quite
2:27 sensitive now you might think oh
2:29 everyone sensitive to criticism that’s
2:31 not really an ADHD trait what a stretch
2:33 some people might say that however the
2:36 difference is that if it’s so severe it
2:38 interferes with your daily life and your
2:40 forming of healthy relationships then
2:42 you know that it’s possibly an issue for
2:45 you if you feel extreme distress failure
2:50 in the face of rejection the feelings
2:52 can become so severe that you can reach
2:54 the point of panic and high anxiety I
2:57 had a couple of really great emails
2:59 about the podcast that I did about is
3:01 ADHD and excuse if you haven’t listened
3:04 to it check it out but basically I go
3:07 into when you’re communicating about
3:10 your ADHD let’s say you’ve done
3:12 something that you shouldn’t have done
3:13 or you feel responsible for or possibly
3:15 you could have done better we don’t want
3:17 to be using our ADHD as an excuse like
3:19 oh sorry I have ADHD so I called you a
3:22 name sorry I abused you sorry I have
3:25 ADHD I cut into traffic and rammed your
3:27 car I have ADHD so I was late every
3:30 single day for work this week it’s about
3:33 taking responsibility and explaining
3:35 that sometimes some of your symptoms can
3:36 get in the
3:37 way I wanted to give you an example on
3:40 how RSD might play out for you I’d love
3:43 to go into the specifics of the example
3:45 but you know it’s always terrifying that
3:46 somebody might listen to this that I
3:48 know so I’ll give you some kind of
3:50 generics or some general information so
3:53 basically I was working on Monday and I
3:57 felt that a coworker attacked back to me
4:00 via a group meeting in Zoom I went into
4:02 a meeting I was pretty relaxed I thought
4:05 and I didn’t realize there was going to
4:06 be any issues someone really wanted some
4:08 answers on the spot to something that I
4:10 didn’t realize was a big
4:12 deal they got aggressive and couldn’t
4:16 let go in my mind and just kept asking
4:18 and asking the same question louder and
4:21 louder after about 5 minutes of this I
4:24 ended up completely flustered shaking I
4:27 couldn’t think and how embarrassing I
4:29 burst into tears rage literally boiled
4:33 up like I think the shaking was just
4:35 pure rage like a coffee pot was
4:37 boiling I went into
4:40 tears and he made a comment and said you
4:43 don’t need to get
4:46 emotional okay so coming from a man
4:49 saying you don’t need to get emotional
4:50 after he’ just been I perceived yelling
4:54 at me for 5 minutes repeating the same
4:56 question not giving me a minute to
4:58 answer or when I answered it wasn’t good
5:00 enough and he continued
5:02 on I want to acknowledge I did yell back
5:05 after about 5 minutes I did end up just
5:08 blowing up yelling back matching the the
5:11 yelling for a brief period and then I
5:14 burst into tears so I did retaliate I
5:16 did participate I don’t to pretend I was
5:18 a complete innocent victim yes I believe
5:20 he started it so after this meeting it
5:23 took me about 5 hours to calm down not a
5:26 lie I it probably was longer than that
5:27 to be honest I coming from school I
5:30 didn’t even ask them how their day was
5:32 at school I can’t believe I’ve just said
5:34 that on a podcast
5:36 shame that’s terrible right I was in
5:40 complete shame of myself embarrassment
5:44 humiliation I still think I was right I
5:47 didn’t start the argument but I did yell
5:49 back I was provoked but I did retaliate
5:52 I have to take some responsibility for
5:54 that and I walked out of the meeting
5:55 which was
5:57 unprofessional and that wasn’t me and
5:59 that’s not how I want to behave and I
6:01 pride myself on being better than that
6:04 so after I had calmed down I listened to
6:08 my own podcast or I read the notes at
6:10 least and I thought okay I need to
6:12 really accept some responsibility for
6:14 the part that I played which I often
6:17 think encourages the other person to
6:19 accept responsibility for the part they
6:21 played I know with some of my close
6:23 relationships particularly with my
6:25 husband
6:27 so I know with him if I come in first
6:29 and accept responsibility for what i’
6:31 done he pretty much always apologize
6:34 even if it was mainly my fault on the
6:36 part that he has played which really has
6:39 a lovely ending or closure to an
6:41 argument which I often really need I
6:44 can’t just let things go I I almost need
6:47 to like hug it out with someone because
6:49 plays in my mind and I feel really
6:51 stressed particularly with a close
6:54 relationship anyway so I decided with
6:57 this person I really needed to
7:00 explain and to acknowledge the part that
7:03 I played so you know taking my own
7:06 advice right so I sent him a text I
7:10 think it was and I said I’m look I’m
7:12 really sorry I want to acknowledge I
7:14 didn’t behave in the best way etc etc
7:18 however would you mind please next time
7:21 could you email me what you would like
7:23 in advance and I’ll be prepared because
7:26 I wasn’t
7:27 expecting those questions
7:29 I was put on the spot in a group I felt
7:32 embarrassed it would really be a lot
7:34 better and we get a better result if you
7:35 could let me know in advance that’s
7:37 that’s what you want or that you’re not
7:38 happy with something that I’ve done so I
7:41 was expecting a similar response
7:43 back so I think you know where this is
7:46 going I didn’t get it I didn’t get that
7:47 response back he wasn’t letting it go
7:50 and he made a comment to me that I had
7:53 baited him so he listed two things that
7:56 I had said which I still stand by I
7:58 honestly didn’t think that would be
8:00 offensive to him however he was offended
8:04 and he said that I baited him and then
8:07 when he reacted I couldn’t cope with the
8:10 response so I was pretty confused at
8:12 this point and I thought wow I’m
8:14 actually really conflict adverse I would
8:16 literally never bait anybody to have an
8:18 argument that’s so out of character for
8:20 who I am which is disappointing he might
8:22 think that about me so I did something
8:25 radical at this point and I thought it
8:28 was going to be really posit
8:29 and it wasn’t you might think that me
8:32 being on a podcast that I’m a pretty
8:34 open person I’m actually not I’ve barely
8:37 disclose to anybody that I’m on this
8:38 podcast and it’s my worst fear that
8:39 someone I know might listen to this so
8:42 ridiculous I love impacting the ADHD mom
8:45 Community but like I don’t want anyone
8:47 to listen to this that isn’t an ADHD mom
8:50 like even my own husband if he sees the
8:52 podcast come up I’m like don’t listen to
8:54 it I I don’t that’s not who I
8:57 am so my husband the beautiful man that
8:59 he is encouraged me to disclose that I
9:02 have ADHD which is a massive deal for me
9:05 right
9:06 massive and so I went back and I said
9:09 look this is via text because he
9:11 wouldn’t answer my calls look I just
9:13 wanted to let you know I was diagnosed
9:15 with ADHD last
9:17 year and you don’t want to come across
9:19 incompetent at work either right so I
9:21 said okay like this is mainly a
9:23 superpower like it’s really good in
9:24 these areas however socially it can be a
9:28 bit of a problem
9:30 I felt cornered in a group zoom and
9:33 flustered and sometimes things come out
9:35 of my mouth that I don’t mean to if you
9:39 were offended by what I said I’m so
9:41 sorry but I really need to let you know
9:44 that my intention was definitely not to
9:46 offend you that is that was not what I
9:48 was attempting to do and I’m really
9:51 sorry that you felt that
9:52 way but you know I am struggling with
9:56 this and this is what I’m doing I listed
9:58 some things that I’m doing doing
10:00 to I suppose create a place where that
10:04 is less likely to occur right so in my
10:06 mind I’m thinking oh I followed my own
10:09 advice on the podcast with more my
10:10 research and my interviews with people
10:12 that that is a really good way how to
10:14 explain and get a great result from
10:16 somebody so my expectation was and that
10:19 was that evening that Monday evening
10:21 that he would reply with oh you know I
10:22 didn’t know that you know or maybe not
10:26 that’s okay but you know some
10:28 acknowledge
10:30 this guy didn’t reply and I can tell you
10:32 I’ve known him for a fairly long time
10:34 I’ve never known him to not reply didn’t
10:36 reply it completely did my heading
10:38 overnight it did my head in the next
10:40 morning and then he wrote an email the
10:43 next day that was pretty clear that he
10:44 was still
10:45 angry it’s hard to really describe to
10:49 anybody I’m so glad I’ve got ADHD moms
10:51 on this that how devastating it is when
10:55 someone doesn’t reply when you’ve really
10:57 been rable and shown your heart like
10:59 it’s difficult to take the emotion out
11:02 of my voice at the
11:03 moment
11:05 invalidation shame
11:08 humiliation and just feeling
11:11 worthless it’s hard to it’s feeling
11:14 worthless I think
11:16 is probably the
11:19 response and I noticed that at the end
11:21 of the podcast with is ADH need excuse I
11:23 said except that not everybody will
11:25 accept your explanation and that’s okay
11:29 but I wanted to show you that and
11:31 acknowledge how hard that actually is
11:34 because today is Thursday and I I feel
11:36 really similar I’m obviously still
11:38 really very upset about it which is why
11:40 I’ve kind of put it this together that
11:42 perhaps I do have a little bit of
11:45 RSD and the only reason I’m sharing this
11:48 is because of that great review from raw
11:50 Rd iixx LS which I saw because I thought
11:54 instead of just not recording because
11:56 I’m a little behind on my recording
11:57 schedule at the moment because I’ve
11:58 spent this week feeling that I haven’t
12:01 been able to get up enough and i’ plan
12:04 to do a topic on masking and you know
12:07 there’s obviously a mask that you have
12:08 to put on to do a podcast but I didn’t
12:10 feel like I was
12:13 genuine enough to do a podcast I thought
12:16 I could read a script
12:18 but I don’t feel it I just don’t feel it
12:20 and I’ve been in a bit of hibernation
12:22 this
12:23 week masking it up pretty hard when I
12:25 leave the house because of how I feel
12:27 inside questioning myself mainly you
12:30 know why why did I yell back I’ve been
12:32 questioning my
12:33 medication was it the riddle in coming
12:35 down that made me into a
12:38 rage maybe the medication that I thought
12:41 was working isn’t good for me or is it
12:43 making me more confident to stand up for
12:45 myself because I rarely do that you know
12:49 do I have
12:50 RSD what’s going on with me and then
12:53 questioning any responses or anything
12:58 that I do
12:59 for example I enrolled my little girl in
13:01 netball and she starts today and I
13:04 noticed that some people in the group
13:06 wrote on there that they weren’t
13:08 necessarily happy that someone was
13:09 starting late because the kids would get
13:11 less game
13:12 time and I honestly thought I was going
13:15 to burst into tears last night when I
13:17 read that and I thought oh my goodness
13:19 like calm down like we’re really there
13:22 for training I mean definitely don’t
13:24 want to cause waves and I felt like when
13:27 I arrive people won’t like me already
13:30 and that’s not normally my attitude but
13:32 that’s how I feel at the moment because
13:34 I feel a bit beaten down what I wanted
13:36 to do on this podcast is I posted in
13:39 about RSD into a couple of Facebook
13:41 groups a couple of weeks ago in
13:44 Australia and I wanted to read out a
13:46 couple of comments that people wrote
13:47 about RSD because this is when I
13:50 actually opened it up and I went wow
13:53 this is how I’m feeling right now I’m
13:54 not crazy this is actually a thing I’ll
13:57 read a couple out
13:59 the feeling of RSD is is is if you’ve
14:03 been punched in the head and are
14:04 struggling to regain
14:06 Consciousness you can deny it but your
14:08 brain is blank your body is
14:12 paralyzed next one some rejection hits
14:15 like a physical punch other times I feel
14:17 all consuming humiliation Fierce
14:20 frustration and anger as if I’m
14:22 blindsided and then I feel like a sad
14:25 confused little girl and I’m completely
14:29 bewildered then I get like jet lag
14:31 afterwards tension headaches fatigue
14:34 nausea and
14:35 tightness sometimes I can shake it off
14:37 after a few days sometimes it takes
14:39 weeks next one due to many real and
14:43 perceived rejections in my life from
14:45 family friends and co-workers I have now
14:47 become scared to start any new
14:49 friendships or group activities I don’t
14:52 volunteer
14:53 much and I don’t get out of the house
14:56 much next one any sidelong look or
14:59 shared smirk between a people in a group
15:02 conversation like at Mom’s group or a
15:04 mom pickup feels like I’m being made fun
15:07 of and even the most constructive
15:10 feedback feels like you are not good
15:12 enough and this is how you
15:14 failed I know that these worries are
15:17 irrational but I can’t stop feeling this
15:20 way next one I know my partner isn’t
15:24 rejecting
15:25 me but even if he doesn’t have time I
15:28 feel like he doesn’t want to spend time
15:30 with me I’m stupid for asking I’m
15:32 uninteresting and dull and that’s why he
15:34 won’t go somewhere with me my own brain
15:37 is
15:38 exhausting next one RSD is 100%
15:42 humiliation followed by self berating
15:45 Behavior nauseous
15:47 anxiety I anticipate it all the times
15:50 and I just try not to express my
15:52 thoughts or feelings anymore I read them
15:55 and I just felt really sad to be honest
15:58 I just felt really sad and I started to
16:02 wonder about my little girl who’s seven
16:05 and the shame in the embarrassment of
16:07 doing or saying the wrong thing and I
16:09 started to wonder is this the reason why
16:12 teenage girl life is just so hard for
16:16 ADHD women honestly I feel like I’m in
16:19 complete fear for her coming up into
16:22 into that kind of pre-teen area and I
16:24 want her to live a better life than I
16:26 did I’m wondering now if RS was a large
16:29 part of why high school was so hard for
16:32 me I don’t normally share this but I had
16:35 severe depression from 14 to 17 years
16:38 old still to this day it’s difficult to
16:41 talk about and still to this day I have
16:45 never been through anything as
16:47 debilitating as that that time that was
16:51 completely was horrific it was the worst
16:54 time of my life
16:55 still and I can see now that my my
16:58 parents were desperate they put me on a
17:00 high amount of medication with a
17:01 psychiatrist which didn’t work so every
17:03 week they just put me on more and more
17:05 and more my parents didn’t know what to
17:08 do and I wonder
17:10 sometimes was it me was I that depressed
17:14 or was it the medication and the high
17:16 amounts of it and amount of pills I was
17:18 popping a day was that just contributing
17:21 to just this
17:23 overall picture of Despair that I had
17:28 and I think the RSD was part of the
17:31 anxiety where I didn’t feel like I could
17:33 go to school as part of that mix I
17:35 couldn’t I mean if you just reflect on
17:39 having to go to school every single day
17:42 and face the people that have been
17:43 making fun on you I I couldn’t even
17:45 imagine it doing it now well then I just
17:48 know deep down in my heart why do so
17:51 many of us ADHD M have self-esteem
17:54 issues because we’ve just read about how
17:57 it discourages people from doing things
17:59 or saying things and that’s how I feel
18:01 right now and I thank that person for
18:03 that review because otherwise I was just
18:06 thinking why am I doing podcasts I keep
18:09 saying the wrong things I’m offending
18:10 people people don’t like me and you go
18:13 over and over and over the stuff in your
18:16 mind and then I
18:18 wonder why are we low on confidence why
18:21 do we feel shame in
18:23 embarrassment because we’ve literally
18:25 had 30 or 40 Years of evidence that
18:28 you’re not good
18:30 enough and if you’re lucky to finally
18:32 get
18:33 diagnosed it’s incredible and it’s
18:36 incredible to accept and see it and know
18:40 that it’s because your brain works
18:42 differently but then you also see all
18:44 the areas that you’re not good at as
18:46 well and it’s a real journey and I’m not
18:48 there yet with accepting it I don’t want
18:51 to make this episode into one with all
18:53 the strategies at the end about what we
18:54 can do about it I just feel like that’s
18:56 really not authentic for me
18:59 today but I would love to do another
19:02 episode on RSD with an expert I don’t
19:04 say I’m an expert I’m not I’m going to
19:06 do an E A episode on RSD with an expert
19:10 to give us some science give us some
19:11 strategies about what we can do but what
19:14 I wanted this podcast to be about was
19:18 acknowledging that I feel it
19:20 too
19:22 and if you’re not
19:25 sure if you have RSD maybe this has made
19:28 it a bit more clear if you do or if you
19:30 don’t and I also want to acknowledge
19:33 that it sucks it’s
19:35 hard but we’re in it together and I’m in
19:39 this together with you I thank you for
19:41 your feedback I’d love you to pop me in
19:43 a review give me a
19:45 follow or you know what I’d love you to
19:47 go on the www. ADHD moms.com become a
19:51 guest share your
19:54 experience or if that’s a bit much you
19:57 can always do the feedback form too and
19:59 share what you’d love to to see more of
20:01 and hear more of so today ADHD
20:06 M made a decision I am moving on I am
20:12 accepting that I didn’t get the response
20:14 that I wanted I was vulnerable I
20:16 explained I did what I felt was right
20:19 and I didn’t get the response that I
20:20 wanted but you know what that’s
20:22 okay I’m done wasting time on that issue
20:27 what I’m going to do is I’m going to
20:28 move on because what I do know about
20:31 ADHD moms is we are
20:34 resilient there is no more resilient
20:37 people and obviously I’m biased and this
20:39 is just my personal opinion than women
20:41 with
20:42 ADHD we are resilient the amount of
20:46 stuff that we brunt on a daily basis and
20:50 we just get up and go I look back on
20:53 having three kids under three and a half
20:55 having mastitis and my husband was at
20:58 work I end up going to hospital and
21:00 having my boob drained and the how sick
21:04 I was and the push through that comes or
21:09 even the whole family having gastro the
21:12 whole family having the flu oh my
21:14 goodness last year I got Co from our
21:17 work Christmas party my husband left he
21:20 had to go away for a few days I think it
21:22 was five the entire time I had Co I had
21:25 three kids under six they didn’t have
21:28 covid I had Co I wanted to die honestly
21:32 I felt like ringing an ambulance and
21:33 saying paramedics take me to hospital I
21:37 need a quiet
21:40 space there is no one more resilient to
21:42 than the ADHD moms and that’s what I’m
21:44 going to be channeling today we’re going
21:46 to be moving on this week and on to the
21:48 next episode thank you so much for
21:50 listening I hope it was helpful feel
21:53 free to send me some feedback have a
21:54 great day have a great week we are
21:57 moving on in the ADHD M podcast thanks

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