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hello and welcome to the ADHD moms |
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podcast I’m your host Jane and I’m here |
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to let you know you are not alone this |
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is a safe place where we can talk openly |
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about our struggles with having ADHD |
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being a mom and dealing with life a |
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little outside the box we are real |
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people with real stories who want to be |
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able to laugh and strive to be better |
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than what we were |
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yesterday my name is Jane mcf and I’m a |
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36-year-old mom of three who was |
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diagnosed with ADHD a little over a year |
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ago I’m here to help you live out your |
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full potential with a diagnosis or |
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without |
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one I own and run a Telly Health |
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psychology company I’ve worked in and |
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studied psychology for the past 15 years |
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I am passionate about helping others |
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take back their life and have a great |
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time while doing |
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so on this show you can expect to laugh |
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hear vulnerable discussions and learn |
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why things are the way they are for |
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women with ADHD no two humans are the |
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same no two diagnosises are the same and |
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no two stories are the same |
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it’s something that feels really |
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personal and we as Mom seem to find a |
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way to put pressure on ourselves to be |
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perfect to work in a great job to get |
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paid well for and then also be |
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passionate about have a clean tidy home |
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and well-mannered obedient children to |
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have it all can we just drop the |
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expectations because I do not have all |
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of those things and I doubt that you do |
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either we have a whole lot to learn and |
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a whole lot to look forward to on this |
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podcast so let’s get started |
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I got a really great review from |
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somebody and I just wanted to give a |
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shout out to raar Rd iixx LS what a |
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random name they gave me a great review |
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and talked about how relatable they felt |
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the podcast was their messages that I’m |
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getting is that’s what people want I |
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will share something that I think could |
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be something that maybe the ADHD moms |
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can relate to it’s around rejection and |
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shame so recently a fair few of |
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psychology and I’m not a psychologist I |
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don’t claim to be one have proposed that |
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there’s particularly high levels of |
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rejection sensitivity or you know RSD |
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which a lot of people know about you can |
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Google it basically it’s high emotional |
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reactivity in general particularly to |
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anything that people might deem to be a |
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slight against |
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them or anything they’ve done wrong or |
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someone giving them feedback people with |
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ADHD can be quite |
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sensitive now you might think oh |
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everyone sensitive to criticism that’s |
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not really an ADHD trait what a stretch |
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some people might say that however the |
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difference is that if it’s so severe it |
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interferes with your daily life and your |
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forming of healthy relationships then |
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you know that it’s possibly an issue for |
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you if you feel extreme distress failure |
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in the face of rejection the feelings |
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can become so severe that you can reach |
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the point of panic and high anxiety I |
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had a couple of really great emails |
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about the podcast that I did about is |
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ADHD and excuse if you haven’t listened |
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to it check it out but basically I go |
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into when you’re communicating about |
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your ADHD let’s say you’ve done |
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something that you shouldn’t have done |
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or you feel responsible for or possibly |
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you could have done better we don’t want |
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to be using our ADHD as an excuse like |
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oh sorry I have ADHD so I called you a |
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name sorry I abused you sorry I have |
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ADHD I cut into traffic and rammed your |
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car I have ADHD so I was late every |
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single day for work this week it’s about |
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taking responsibility and explaining |
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that sometimes some of your symptoms can |
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get in the |
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way I wanted to give you an example on |
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how RSD might play out for you I’d love |
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to go into the specifics of the example |
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but you know it’s always terrifying that |
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somebody might listen to this that I |
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know so I’ll give you some kind of |
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generics or some general information so |
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basically I was working on Monday and I |
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felt that a coworker attacked back to me |
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via a group meeting in Zoom I went into |
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a meeting I was pretty relaxed I thought |
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and I didn’t realize there was going to |
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be any issues someone really wanted some |
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answers on the spot to something that I |
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didn’t realize was a big |
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deal they got aggressive and couldn’t |
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let go in my mind and just kept asking |
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and asking the same question louder and |
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louder after about 5 minutes of this I |
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ended up completely flustered shaking I |
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couldn’t think and how embarrassing I |
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burst into tears rage literally boiled |
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up like I think the shaking was just |
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pure rage like a coffee pot was |
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boiling I went into |
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tears and he made a comment and said you |
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don’t need to get |
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emotional okay so coming from a man |
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saying you don’t need to get emotional |
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after he’ just been I perceived yelling |
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at me for 5 minutes repeating the same |
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question not giving me a minute to |
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answer or when I answered it wasn’t good |
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enough and he continued |
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on I want to acknowledge I did yell back |
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after about 5 minutes I did end up just |
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blowing up yelling back matching the the |
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yelling for a brief period and then I |
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burst into tears so I did retaliate I |
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did participate I don’t to pretend I was |
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a complete innocent victim yes I believe |
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he started it so after this meeting it |
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took me about 5 hours to calm down not a |
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lie I it probably was longer than that |
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to be honest I coming from school I |
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didn’t even ask them how their day was |
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at school I can’t believe I’ve just said |
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that on a podcast |
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shame that’s terrible right I was in |
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complete shame of myself embarrassment |
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humiliation I still think I was right I |
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didn’t start the argument but I did yell |
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back I was provoked but I did retaliate |
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I have to take some responsibility for |
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that and I walked out of the meeting |
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which was |
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unprofessional and that wasn’t me and |
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that’s not how I want to behave and I |
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pride myself on being better than that |
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so after I had calmed down I listened to |
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my own podcast or I read the notes at |
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least and I thought okay I need to |
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really accept some responsibility for |
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the part that I played which I often |
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think encourages the other person to |
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accept responsibility for the part they |
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played I know with some of my close |
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relationships particularly with my |
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husband |
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so I know with him if I come in first |
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and accept responsibility for what i’ |
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done he pretty much always apologize |
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even if it was mainly my fault on the |
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part that he has played which really has |
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a lovely ending or closure to an |
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argument which I often really need I |
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can’t just let things go I I almost need |
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to like hug it out with someone because |
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plays in my mind and I feel really |
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stressed particularly with a close |
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relationship anyway so I decided with |
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this person I really needed to |
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explain and to acknowledge the part that |
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I played so you know taking my own |
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advice right so I sent him a text I |
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think it was and I said I’m look I’m |
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really sorry I want to acknowledge I |
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didn’t behave in the best way etc etc |
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however would you mind please next time |
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could you email me what you would like |
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in advance and I’ll be prepared because |
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I wasn’t |
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expecting those questions |
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I was put on the spot in a group I felt |
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embarrassed it would really be a lot |
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better and we get a better result if you |
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could let me know in advance that’s |
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that’s what you want or that you’re not |
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happy with something that I’ve done so I |
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was expecting a similar response |
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back so I think you know where this is |
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going I didn’t get it I didn’t get that |
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response back he wasn’t letting it go |
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and he made a comment to me that I had |
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baited him so he listed two things that |
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I had said which I still stand by I |
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honestly didn’t think that would be |
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offensive to him however he was offended |
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and he said that I baited him and then |
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when he reacted I couldn’t cope with the |
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response so I was pretty confused at |
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this point and I thought wow I’m |
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actually really conflict adverse I would |
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literally never bait anybody to have an |
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argument that’s so out of character for |
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who I am which is disappointing he might |
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think that about me so I did something |
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radical at this point and I thought it |
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was going to be really posit |
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and it wasn’t you might think that me |
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being on a podcast that I’m a pretty |
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open person I’m actually not I’ve barely |
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disclose to anybody that I’m on this |
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podcast and it’s my worst fear that |
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someone I know might listen to this so |
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ridiculous I love impacting the ADHD mom |
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Community but like I don’t want anyone |
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to listen to this that isn’t an ADHD mom |
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like even my own husband if he sees the |
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podcast come up I’m like don’t listen to |
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it I I don’t that’s not who I |
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am so my husband the beautiful man that |
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he is encouraged me to disclose that I |
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have ADHD which is a massive deal for me |
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right |
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massive and so I went back and I said |
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look this is via text because he |
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wouldn’t answer my calls look I just |
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wanted to let you know I was diagnosed |
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with ADHD last |
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year and you don’t want to come across |
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incompetent at work either right so I |
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said okay like this is mainly a |
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superpower like it’s really good in |
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these areas however socially it can be a |
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bit of a problem |
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I felt cornered in a group zoom and |
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flustered and sometimes things come out |
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of my mouth that I don’t mean to if you |
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were offended by what I said I’m so |
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sorry but I really need to let you know |
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that my intention was definitely not to |
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offend you that is that was not what I |
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was attempting to do and I’m really |
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sorry that you felt that |
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way but you know I am struggling with |
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this and this is what I’m doing I listed |
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some things that I’m doing doing |
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to I suppose create a place where that |
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is less likely to occur right so in my |
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mind I’m thinking oh I followed my own |
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advice on the podcast with more my |
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research and my interviews with people |
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that that is a really good way how to |
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explain and get a great result from |
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somebody so my expectation was and that |
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was that evening that Monday evening |
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that he would reply with oh you know I |
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didn’t know that you know or maybe not |
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that’s okay but you know some |
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acknowledge |
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this guy didn’t reply and I can tell you |
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I’ve known him for a fairly long time |
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I’ve never known him to not reply didn’t |
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reply it completely did my heading |
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overnight it did my head in the next |
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morning and then he wrote an email the |
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next day that was pretty clear that he |
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was still |
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angry it’s hard to really describe to |
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anybody I’m so glad I’ve got ADHD moms |
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on this that how devastating it is when |
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someone doesn’t reply when you’ve really |
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been rable and shown your heart like |
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it’s difficult to take the emotion out |
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of my voice at the |
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moment |
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invalidation shame |
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humiliation and just feeling |
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worthless it’s hard to it’s feeling |
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worthless I think |
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is probably the |
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response and I noticed that at the end |
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of the podcast with is ADH need excuse I |
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said except that not everybody will |
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accept your explanation and that’s okay |
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but I wanted to show you that and |
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acknowledge how hard that actually is |
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because today is Thursday and I I feel |
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really similar I’m obviously still |
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really very upset about it which is why |
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I’ve kind of put it this together that |
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perhaps I do have a little bit of |
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RSD and the only reason I’m sharing this |
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is because of that great review from raw |
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Rd iixx LS which I saw because I thought |
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instead of just not recording because |
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I’m a little behind on my recording |
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schedule at the moment because I’ve |
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spent this week feeling that I haven’t |
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been able to get up enough and i’ plan |
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to do a topic on masking and you know |
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there’s obviously a mask that you have |
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to put on to do a podcast but I didn’t |
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feel like I was |
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genuine enough to do a podcast I thought |
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I could read a script |
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but I don’t feel it I just don’t feel it |
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and I’ve been in a bit of hibernation |
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this |
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week masking it up pretty hard when I |
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leave the house because of how I feel |
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inside questioning myself mainly you |
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know why why did I yell back I’ve been |
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questioning my |
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medication was it the riddle in coming |
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down that made me into a |
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rage maybe the medication that I thought |
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was working isn’t good for me or is it |
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making me more confident to stand up for |
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myself because I rarely do that you know |
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do I have |
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RSD what’s going on with me and then |
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questioning any responses or anything |
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that I do |
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for example I enrolled my little girl in |
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netball and she starts today and I |
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noticed that some people in the group |
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wrote on there that they weren’t |
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necessarily happy that someone was |
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starting late because the kids would get |
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less game |
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time and I honestly thought I was going |
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to burst into tears last night when I |
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read that and I thought oh my goodness |
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like calm down like we’re really there |
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for training I mean definitely don’t |
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want to cause waves and I felt like when |
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I arrive people won’t like me already |
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and that’s not normally my attitude but |
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that’s how I feel at the moment because |
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I feel a bit beaten down what I wanted |
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to do on this podcast is I posted in |
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about RSD into a couple of Facebook |
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groups a couple of weeks ago in |
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Australia and I wanted to read out a |
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couple of comments that people wrote |
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about RSD because this is when I |
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actually opened it up and I went wow |
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this is how I’m feeling right now I’m |
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not crazy this is actually a thing I’ll |
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read a couple out |
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the feeling of RSD is is is if you’ve |
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been punched in the head and are |
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struggling to regain |
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Consciousness you can deny it but your |
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brain is blank your body is |
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paralyzed next one some rejection hits |
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like a physical punch other times I feel |
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all consuming humiliation Fierce |
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frustration and anger as if I’m |
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blindsided and then I feel like a sad |
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confused little girl and I’m completely |
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bewildered then I get like jet lag |
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afterwards tension headaches fatigue |
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nausea and |
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tightness sometimes I can shake it off |
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after a few days sometimes it takes |
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weeks next one due to many real and |
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perceived rejections in my life from |
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family friends and co-workers I have now |
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become scared to start any new |
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friendships or group activities I don’t |
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volunteer |
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much and I don’t get out of the house |
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much next one any sidelong look or |
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shared smirk between a people in a group |
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conversation like at Mom’s group or a |
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mom pickup feels like I’m being made fun |
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of and even the most constructive |
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feedback feels like you are not good |
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enough and this is how you |
15:14 |
failed I know that these worries are |
15:17 |
irrational but I can’t stop feeling this |
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way next one I know my partner isn’t |
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rejecting |
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me but even if he doesn’t have time I |
15:28 |
feel like he doesn’t want to spend time |
15:30 |
with me I’m stupid for asking I’m |
15:32 |
uninteresting and dull and that’s why he |
15:34 |
won’t go somewhere with me my own brain |
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is |
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exhausting next one RSD is 100% |
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humiliation followed by self berating |
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Behavior nauseous |
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anxiety I anticipate it all the times |
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and I just try not to express my |
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thoughts or feelings anymore I read them |
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and I just felt really sad to be honest |
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I just felt really sad and I started to |
16:02 |
wonder about my little girl who’s seven |
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and the shame in the embarrassment of |
16:07 |
doing or saying the wrong thing and I |
16:09 |
started to wonder is this the reason why |
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teenage girl life is just so hard for |
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ADHD women honestly I feel like I’m in |
16:19 |
complete fear for her coming up into |
16:22 |
into that kind of pre-teen area and I |
16:24 |
want her to live a better life than I |
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did I’m wondering now if RS was a large |
16:29 |
part of why high school was so hard for |
16:32 |
me I don’t normally share this but I had |
16:35 |
severe depression from 14 to 17 years |
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old still to this day it’s difficult to |
16:41 |
talk about and still to this day I have |
16:45 |
never been through anything as |
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debilitating as that that time that was |
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completely was horrific it was the worst |
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time of my life |
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still and I can see now that my my |
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parents were desperate they put me on a |
17:00 |
high amount of medication with a |
17:01 |
psychiatrist which didn’t work so every |
17:03 |
week they just put me on more and more |
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and more my parents didn’t know what to |
17:08 |
do and I wonder |
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sometimes was it me was I that depressed |
17:14 |
or was it the medication and the high |
17:16 |
amounts of it and amount of pills I was |
17:18 |
popping a day was that just contributing |
17:21 |
to just this |
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overall picture of Despair that I had |
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and I think the RSD was part of the |
17:31 |
anxiety where I didn’t feel like I could |
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go to school as part of that mix I |
17:35 |
couldn’t I mean if you just reflect on |
17:39 |
having to go to school every single day |
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and face the people that have been |
17:43 |
making fun on you I I couldn’t even |
17:45 |
imagine it doing it now well then I just |
17:48 |
know deep down in my heart why do so |
17:51 |
many of us ADHD M have self-esteem |
17:54 |
issues because we’ve just read about how |
17:57 |
it discourages people from doing things |
17:59 |
or saying things and that’s how I feel |
18:01 |
right now and I thank that person for |
18:03 |
that review because otherwise I was just |
18:06 |
thinking why am I doing podcasts I keep |
18:09 |
saying the wrong things I’m offending |
18:10 |
people people don’t like me and you go |
18:13 |
over and over and over the stuff in your |
18:16 |
mind and then I |
18:18 |
wonder why are we low on confidence why |
18:21 |
do we feel shame in |
18:23 |
embarrassment because we’ve literally |
18:25 |
had 30 or 40 Years of evidence that |
18:28 |
you’re not good |
18:30 |
enough and if you’re lucky to finally |
18:32 |
get |
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diagnosed it’s incredible and it’s |
18:36 |
incredible to accept and see it and know |
18:40 |
that it’s because your brain works |
18:42 |
differently but then you also see all |
18:44 |
the areas that you’re not good at as |
18:46 |
well and it’s a real journey and I’m not |
18:48 |
there yet with accepting it I don’t want |
18:51 |
to make this episode into one with all |
18:53 |
the strategies at the end about what we |
18:54 |
can do about it I just feel like that’s |
18:56 |
really not authentic for me |
18:59 |
today but I would love to do another |
19:02 |
episode on RSD with an expert I don’t |
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say I’m an expert I’m not I’m going to |
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do an E A episode on RSD with an expert |
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to give us some science give us some |
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strategies about what we can do but what |
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I wanted this podcast to be about was |
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acknowledging that I feel it |
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too |
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and if you’re not |
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sure if you have RSD maybe this has made |
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it a bit more clear if you do or if you |
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don’t and I also want to acknowledge |
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that it sucks it’s |
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hard but we’re in it together and I’m in |
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this together with you I thank you for |
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your feedback I’d love you to pop me in |
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a review give me a |
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follow or you know what I’d love you to |
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go on the www. ADHD moms.com become a |
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guest share your |
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experience or if that’s a bit much you |
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can always do the feedback form too and |
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share what you’d love to to see more of |
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and hear more of so today ADHD |
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M made a decision I am moving on I am |
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accepting that I didn’t get the response |
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that I wanted I was vulnerable I |
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explained I did what I felt was right |
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and I didn’t get the response that I |
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wanted but you know what that’s |
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okay I’m done wasting time on that issue |
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what I’m going to do is I’m going to |
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move on because what I do know about |
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ADHD moms is we are |
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resilient there is no more resilient |
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people and obviously I’m biased and this |
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is just my personal opinion than women |
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with |
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ADHD we are resilient the amount of |
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stuff that we brunt on a daily basis and |
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we just get up and go I look back on |
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having three kids under three and a half |
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having mastitis and my husband was at |
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work I end up going to hospital and |
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having my boob drained and the how sick |
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I was and the push through that comes or |
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even the whole family having gastro the |
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whole family having the flu oh my |
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goodness last year I got Co from our |
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work Christmas party my husband left he |
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had to go away for a few days I think it |
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was five the entire time I had Co I had |
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three kids under six they didn’t have |
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covid I had Co I wanted to die honestly |
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I felt like ringing an ambulance and |
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saying paramedics take me to hospital I |
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need a quiet |
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space there is no one more resilient to |
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than the ADHD moms and that’s what I’m |
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going to be channeling today we’re going |
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to be moving on this week and on to the |
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next episode thank you so much for |
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listening I hope it was helpful feel |
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free to send me some feedback have a |
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great day have a great week we are |
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moving on in the ADHD M podcast thanks |